For question 3: Folinic acid may be used in its [ethylene glycol poisoning] treatment – True
According to LITFL – “In methanol toxicity, folic acid (50mg IV Q4-6H) or folinic acid (1-2mg/kg IV Q4-6H) increases the breakdown of formic acid to carbon dioxide and water.” Not mentioned under ethylene glycol. I’m sure I read this in another review article somewhere too.
Sorry chaps I disagree:
– Methanol is metabolised by alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) to formaldehyde, which is further metabolised by aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) to formic acid
– Ethylene glycol is metabolised by ADH to glycoaldehyde, then by ALDH to glycolic acid, which is further metabolised to glycoxylic acid and finally oxalic acid
Therefore:
In ethylene glycol toxicity, pyridoxine (100mg IV Q6H) and thiamine (100mg IV Q6H) increase the metabolism of glycolic and glycoxlic acid to the less toxic metabolites glycine and alpha-hydroxy-beta-ketoadipate.
In methanol toxicity, folic acid (50mg IV Q4-6H) or folinic acid (1-2mg/kg IV Q4-6H) increases the breakdown of formic acid to carbon dioxide and water.
Not that any of this really matters clinically as serum levels aren’t exactly rapid 😉
For question 3: Folinic acid may be used in its [ethylene glycol poisoning] treatment – True
According to LITFL – “In methanol toxicity, folic acid (50mg IV Q4-6H) or folinic acid (1-2mg/kg IV Q4-6H) increases the breakdown of formic acid to carbon dioxide and water.” Not mentioned under ethylene glycol. I’m sure I read this in another review article somewhere too.
cheers matt. will look into this and update…good NEJM article out recently on this (not FOAMed unfortunately)
Sorry chaps I disagree:
– Methanol is metabolised by alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) to formaldehyde, which is further metabolised by aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) to formic acid
– Ethylene glycol is metabolised by ADH to glycoaldehyde, then by ALDH to glycolic acid, which is further metabolised to glycoxylic acid and finally oxalic acid
Therefore:
In ethylene glycol toxicity, pyridoxine (100mg IV Q6H) and thiamine (100mg IV Q6H) increase the metabolism of glycolic and glycoxlic acid to the less toxic metabolites glycine and alpha-hydroxy-beta-ketoadipate.
In methanol toxicity, folic acid (50mg IV Q4-6H) or folinic acid (1-2mg/kg IV Q4-6H) increases the breakdown of formic acid to carbon dioxide and water.
Not that any of this really matters clinically as serum levels aren’t exactly rapid 😉
https://lifeinthefastlane.com/toxic-alcohol-ingestion/